C&B Cam

Base engine in the 2012-2017 Fiat 500.
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Re: C&B Cam

Post by sportfan » Sat Dec 08, 2018 8:06 pm

Can anyone say for a fact that this cam will work in and improve performance in a NA 500 ? Will it be worth it ?

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Re: C&B Cam

Post by texanbrit » Sat Dec 08, 2018 8:52 pm

Won't work on the NA, cam profile is wrong.
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Re: C&B Cam

Post by sportfan » Sun Dec 09, 2018 1:29 pm

Thanks Paul. If it would help ,I'd get one. I guess bigger brakes, an
LSD, lightened flywheel, clutch, and dyno tune will have to do.

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Re: C&B Cam

Post by texanbrit » Sun Dec 09, 2018 10:41 pm

Exhaust manifold and those new multi-air springs maybe?

You could ask C&B but I suspect a custom cam will be expensive, plus my Italian is not good and I don't really know what to ask for even in English.
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Re: C&B Cam

Post by nightowlracing » Fri Jan 18, 2019 9:23 am

texanbrit wrote: Sat Dec 08, 2018 8:52 pm Won't work on the NA, cam profile is wrong.
Do you have a cam card for one? Never have been able to see the spec's but that wouldn't stop anyone who has access to a Cam Doctor which is a camshaft measurement machine.

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Re: C&B Cam

Post by texanbrit » Thu Jan 31, 2019 9:39 am

nightowlracing wrote: Fri Jan 18, 2019 9:23 am
texanbrit wrote: Sat Dec 08, 2018 8:52 pm Won't work on the NA, cam profile is wrong.
Do you have a cam card for one? Never have been able to see the spec's but that wouldn't stop anyone who has access to a Cam Doctor which is a camshaft measurement machine.
I don't unfortunately. If I get adventurous one day I'll look around town for a "cam doctor", although the Pop is supposed to be the reliable, unmodified one.
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Re: C&B Cam

Post by Scallootch » Tue Jan 21, 2020 9:47 am

One might need to swap the upper part of the head (AKA the "cam box") in order to use cam sets such as CAT Cams’ 1901406 (fast road), 1901453 (race/rally), or Colombo and Bariani’s FF16.ST1 on our Pop/Sport/Lounge EAB motors. Of course you'd need a custom tune in order to make it work. For the record, CAT Cams' spec for the 1901453 notes that it's for the 176 A9.000, but I'm pretty sure it's a typo that should say 176 A8.000.

For the record, these motors all use the same gasket between the top and bottom halves of the head:

169 A3.000 1368cc from Panda 101HP, EU 500);
176 B9.000 1242cc from Punto (176), Ypsilon (840);
179 D7.000 1242cc from Palio, Siena;
182 B2.000 1242cc from Marea (185), Brava (182), Bravo I (182);
188 A5.000 1242cc from Siena (178), Palio (178BX), Ypsilon (843), Palio Weekend (178), IDEA (350);
192 B2.000 1368cc from Musa (350), Stilo Multi Wagon (192);
843 A1.000, alternative part number for 192 B2.000;
198 A1.000, 1368cc turbo from Mi.TO (955), Linea (323), Bravo II (190) T-Jet;
198 A4.000, 1368cc turbo from Doblo (263), Delta III (844), Giulietta (940), Grande Punto (199), 500L (EU), T-Jet;
198 A7.000, 1368cc from Delta III (844);
199 A6.000, 1368cc from Mi.TO (955), Punto (188);
312 A1.000, 1368cc turbo from RoW 500 (312) Abarth;
312 A3.000, 1368cc turbo from RoW 500 (312) Abarth '07-'12;
940 B7.000 from 500L (199);
955 A2.000, 1368cc MultiAir turbo from Mi.TO (955);
955 A7.000, 955 A8.000, and 199 A8.000, all alternative part numbers for 955 A2.000;
955 A6.000, 1368cc MultiAir from Punto (199), Mi.TO (955).

As far as I'm aware the EAB is basically a 169 A3.000 with MultiAir.

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Re: C&B Cam

Post by texanbrit » Wed Jan 22, 2020 11:25 am

I wish I knew the euro platforms better, feels like some of these you have listed must by non-turbo cars.
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Re: C&B Cam

Post by Scallootch » Wed Jan 22, 2020 12:47 pm

Yup, the majority of them are nonturbo motors but I've noted some of the turbos in that list.

I just notified my Portugal contact that Zecca recently announced DI Corse's new supply of imported T-Jet (198 A1.000) heads, and my Portugal guy says he's also found a supplier in Italy for same. Now I get to figure out whether cams from nonturbo models will fit into this turbo model cam box to work on my nonturbo block...

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